Comments on: Kenshin, the doubtful Buddhist http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Gerald Ford http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-649 Gerald Ford Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:38:44 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-649 Tornado: Yeah, the relationship between the "old school" sects like Tendai and Shingon with the new ones appears to be more complicated than first thought. Al: Yeah, having left Christianity itself it took quite a while to let go of believe in wrathful sky fathers and such. I think when my beliefs in Buddhism got stronger after 2005, I think I just forgot about it. :) I probably should blog about that at some point in the future. Jeannie: Certainly a good point. Tornado: Yeah, the relationship between the “old school” sects like Tendai and Shingon with the new ones appears to be more complicated than first thought.

Al: Yeah, having left Christianity itself it took quite a while to let go of believe in wrathful sky fathers and such. I think when my beliefs in Buddhism got stronger after 2005, I think I just forgot about it. :) I probably should blog about that at some point in the future.

Jeannie: Certainly a good point.

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By: Jeannie http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-648 Jeannie Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:07:35 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-648 The whole leaving something for Buddhism has always interested me. Before practicing Buddhism, I practiced nothing. It doesn't matter one bit to me why someone practices Buddhism- they will reap the benefits. The whole leaving something for Buddhism has always interested me. Before practicing Buddhism, I practiced nothing.

It doesn’t matter one bit to me why someone practices Buddhism- they will reap the benefits.

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By: Al Billings http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-643 Al Billings Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:24:52 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-643 Well, the lack of belief in God or the salvic properties of Jesus the Carpenter tended to make me want to leave Christianity above and beyond social factors. I don't believe in any great sky fathers anymore. :-) Well, the lack of belief in God or the salvic properties of Jesus the Carpenter tended to make me want to leave Christianity above and beyond social factors. I don’t believe in any great sky fathers anymore. :-)

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By: tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-644 tornadoes28 Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:16:44 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-644 I did not know that Kenshin became the head of the Tendai School and that he included more emphasis of Pure Land. Also interesting since the Tendai monks of Mt. Hiei continued to torment the Jodo Shinshu Pure Land School for another two hundred years up to about the time of Rennyo. I did not know that Kenshin became the head of the Tendai School and that he included more emphasis of Pure Land.

Also interesting since the Tendai monks of Mt. Hiei continued to torment the Jodo Shinshu Pure Land School for another two hundred years up to about the time of Rennyo.

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By: tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-646 tornadoes28 Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:11:18 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-646 What is also amazing about Honen's statement that he was unable to follow the path's of the other Buddhist schools is that Honen is considered at that time to be one of the most knowledgeable buddhist monks within Tendai Buddhism and his knowledge of Buddhism in general was superior. And yet he still felt he could not follow the other paths. What is also amazing about Honen’s statement that he was unable to follow the path’s of the other Buddhist schools is that Honen is considered at that time to be one of the most knowledgeable buddhist monks within Tendai Buddhism and his knowledge of Buddhism in general was superior.

And yet he still felt he could not follow the other paths.

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By: Gerald Ford http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-645 Gerald Ford Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:37:08 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-645 <em>Joining up with another very “churchy” seeming faith is probably one of the last things that people in these circumstances want to do.</em> <em>...Having to learn all of this from scratch with no cultural basis, that the opposite of my experience in the convert, non-ethnically Buddhist community.</em> Totally. Before I got into Pure Land about 3 years ago, I was definitely among this crowd in every sense of the word. I think it's a natural outcome of leaving something like Christianity. I think thought that joining Buddhism just to get away from Christianity is ultimately missing something though, and part of a Buddhist's path is to figure out what's missing. It's certainly something I've struggled with. Yeah, my father-in-law, whose Japanese, complains a lot about Japanese Buddhism and its monks, so in all fairness the Asian Buddhist culture certainly has its problems too. :) Joining up with another very “churchy” seeming faith is probably one of the last things that people in these circumstances want to do.

…Having to learn all of this from scratch with no cultural basis, that the opposite of my experience in the convert, non-ethnically Buddhist community.

Totally. Before I got into Pure Land about 3 years ago, I was definitely among this crowd in every sense of the word. I think it’s a natural outcome of leaving something like Christianity. I think thought that joining Buddhism just to get away from Christianity is ultimately missing something though, and part of a Buddhist’s path is to figure out what’s missing. It’s certainly something I’ve struggled with.

Yeah, my father-in-law, whose Japanese, complains a lot about Japanese Buddhism and its monks, so in all fairness the Asian Buddhist culture certainly has its problems too. :)

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By: Al Billings http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/06/20/kenshin-the-doubtful-buddhist/#comment-647 Al Billings Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:13:48 +0000 http://level8.wordpress.com/?p=320#comment-647 One problem is that many of us left our own "traditional" religions because we were dissatisfied with things about them. Sometimes these were theological and sometimes cultural. Joining up with another very "churchy" seeming faith is probably one of the last things that people in these circumstances want to do. Why would I leave Catholicism and Christianity in general only to go sit in pews with a priest doing a service, etc. whether it was Buddhist or something else? Reading Suzuki's biography, Crooked Cucumber, an encounter between Suzuki and a BCA priest he knew is mentioned. In this encounter, the BCA priest admits that he isn't sure that he could be a priest in America because he simply wasn't trained to answer the kinds of questions that he was being asked here. Suzuki mentions having to improve his knowledge of Buddhism because he was being asked questions that in 30 years of being a priest in Japan, no one had bothered to ask. I've heard the same thing from people who have trained in Japan. Buddhist priests there are usually much more knowledgeable about the forms and structures of things but are not necessarily well versed in Buddhist history, doctrines, sutras, etc. the way that we would expect here. The prevalence of Buddhism seems to have caused some to take things for granted and only learn to a certain depth because "everyone knows all of this" or somesuch. Having to learn all of this from scratch with no cultural basis, that the opposite of my experience in the convert, non-ethnically Buddhist community. Of course, that community has its own problems too. One problem is that many of us left our own “traditional” religions because we were dissatisfied with things about them. Sometimes these were theological and sometimes cultural. Joining up with another very “churchy” seeming faith is probably one of the last things that people in these circumstances want to do.

Why would I leave Catholicism and Christianity in general only to go sit in pews with a priest doing a service, etc. whether it was Buddhist or something else?

Reading Suzuki’s biography, Crooked Cucumber, an encounter between Suzuki and a BCA priest he knew is mentioned. In this encounter, the BCA priest admits that he isn’t sure that he could be a priest in America because he simply wasn’t trained to answer the kinds of questions that he was being asked here. Suzuki mentions having to improve his knowledge of Buddhism because he was being asked questions that in 30 years of being a priest in Japan, no one had bothered to ask. I’ve heard the same thing from people who have trained in Japan. Buddhist priests there are usually much more knowledgeable about the forms and structures of things but are not necessarily well versed in Buddhist history, doctrines, sutras, etc. the way that we would expect here. The prevalence of Buddhism seems to have caused some to take things for granted and only learn to a certain depth because “everyone knows all of this” or somesuch.

Having to learn all of this from scratch with no cultural basis, that the opposite of my experience in the convert, non-ethnically Buddhist community. Of course, that community has its own problems too.

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