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	<title>Comments on: Is Buddhism too hard?  Try the nembutsu first!</title>
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		<title>By: Gerald Ford</title>
		<link>http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/09/23/the-gateway-of-the-nembutsu/#comment-2155</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave: Excellent link.  I thought it was pretty well organized and helpful.  :)

Hi Kyoushin: No offense taken whatsoever.  I&#039;ve known for a long time I write both for my own self as well as others, so you&#039;re preaching to the choir.  ;)  But you&#039;re right, in that Jodo Shinshu or any aspect of Buddhism doesn&#039;t necessary need explaning or apologizing.  My wife knows well that I like to explain things in a very convoluted manner, or over-explain, so I suppose it&#039;s par for the course.  Thanks for the advice.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave: Excellent link.  I thought it was pretty well organized and helpful.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hi Kyoushin: No offense taken whatsoever.  I&#8217;ve known for a long time I write both for my own self as well as others, so you&#8217;re preaching to the choir.  <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   But you&#8217;re right, in that Jodo Shinshu or any aspect of Buddhism doesn&#8217;t necessary need explaning or apologizing.  My wife knows well that I like to explain things in a very convoluted manner, or over-explain, so I suppose it&#8217;s par for the course.  Thanks for the advice.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kyoshin</title>
		<link>http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/09/23/the-gateway-of-the-nembutsu/#comment-2154</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I intended the nembutsu to be something that would encourage people who were put off by other features, and give them something to rely on.&quot;
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Dear GF,  I&#039;ve been in your shoes and tried to act as an apologist for the Jodo Shinshu and nembutsu teachings but it&#039;s not what either the tradition or people need.  If I may risk being frank within the fragile context of our nascent friendship, your post &#039;reads&#039; like you are trying to convince someone of the merits of the teaching but it &#039;sounds&#039; more like you are trying to convince yourself.

As for expressing the value of the nembutsu to others, the one thing that encourages other people is seeing the light of the Dharma manifested in the lives of others:

“When the practicer sees that the hearts of others have been set free, he leaps forward, by way of aspiration, to the various fruits of a holy life …” - Questions of King Milinda

With friendship and respect, K]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I intended the nembutsu to be something that would encourage people who were put off by other features, and give them something to rely on.&#8221;<br />
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<p>Dear GF,  I&#8217;ve been in your shoes and tried to act as an apologist for the Jodo Shinshu and nembutsu teachings but it&#8217;s not what either the tradition or people need.  If I may risk being frank within the fragile context of our nascent friendship, your post &#8216;reads&#8217; like you are trying to convince someone of the merits of the teaching but it &#8216;sounds&#8217; more like you are trying to convince yourself.</p>
<p>As for expressing the value of the nembutsu to others, the one thing that encourages other people is seeing the light of the Dharma manifested in the lives of others:</p>
<p>“When the practicer sees that the hearts of others have been set free, he leaps forward, by way of aspiration, to the various fruits of a holy life …” &#8211; Questions of King Milinda</p>
<p>With friendship and respect, K</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2008/09/23/the-gateway-of-the-nembutsu/#comment-2152</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While not strictly about Shin, I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cloudwater.org/pureland.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; does a good job of talking about the relationship of Pure Land to other forms of Buddhism, especially near the end under the subheading &quot;Practices&quot; which discusses how Pure Land offers the benefits of the Meditation School, the Sutra Studies School,  the Discipline School and the Esoteric School.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not strictly about Shin, I think <a href="http://www.cloudwater.org/pureland.html" rel="nofollow">this page</a> does a good job of talking about the relationship of Pure Land to other forms of Buddhism, especially near the end under the subheading &#8220;Practices&#8221; which discusses how Pure Land offers the benefits of the Meditation School, the Sutra Studies School,  the Discipline School and the Esoteric School.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;A few people have been confused by this post thinking I advocate not doing this or that Buddhist practice. That is not what I am saying.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I think some may have gotten that impression by my comment too.  I think all are ways of helping with Buddhist practice, but the true practice is how is able to take what is learned through clarity of meditation or the compassion of Amida and applying it to make this world a better place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;A few people have been confused by this post thinking I advocate not doing this or that Buddhist practice. That is not what I am saying.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Yeah, I think some may have gotten that impression by my comment too.  I think all are ways of helping with Buddhist practice, but the true practice is how is able to take what is learned through clarity of meditation or the compassion of Amida and applying it to make this world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo.  It&#039;s a starting point.  :)

I like the Eightfold Path too, but I find it a bit vague.  It&#039;s good framework in Buddhism, but not something you can live by day-to-day.  Instead, it feels to me more like a reality check in the long term.  Am I following the Buddhist Path right?  Check yourself based on the Eightfold Path.

Just my $.02.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo.  It&#8217;s a starting point.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like the Eightfold Path too, but I find it a bit vague.  It&#8217;s good framework in Buddhism, but not something you can live by day-to-day.  Instead, it feels to me more like a reality check in the long term.  Am I following the Buddhist Path right?  Check yourself based on the Eightfold Path.</p>
<p>Just my $.02.</p>
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		<title>By: Tornadoes28</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This does make sense.  I think there are many people who are daunted or overwhelmed by the thought of Buddhist practice.  This is a great first step.

I also like Jeannie&#039;s plan of trying to follow the Eightfold Path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does make sense.  I think there are many people who are daunted or overwhelmed by the thought of Buddhist practice.  This is a great first step.</p>
<p>I also like Jeannie&#8217;s plan of trying to follow the Eightfold Path.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael,

Exactly.  I was hoping to get across that there is no minimum standard one has to meet to be a Buddhist, but through being in Buddhism long enough one starts to spontaneously adopt practcies.  A lot of new people ask if they have to be vegetarian or meditate, and the answer is technically &#039;no&#039;.  They don&#039;t have to, but over time, they&#039;ll just naturally want to.  I intended the nembutsu to be something that would encourage people who were put off by other features, and give them something to rely on.  That&#039;s why I quoted the Yin-Shun quote for example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Exactly.  I was hoping to get across that there is no minimum standard one has to meet to be a Buddhist, but through being in Buddhism long enough one starts to spontaneously adopt practcies.  A lot of new people ask if they have to be vegetarian or meditate, and the answer is technically &#8216;no&#8217;.  They don&#8217;t have to, but over time, they&#8217;ll just naturally want to.  I intended the nembutsu to be something that would encourage people who were put off by other features, and give them something to rely on.  That&#8217;s why I quoted the Yin-Shun quote for example.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post GF! It made perfect sense, but maybe some clarification will help. There are also organizations that practice both Zen and Pure Land. In this case, the Nembutsu is seen as meditation. Jodo Shinshu is hard to explain, but once understood, there is no need for self practices. The precepts seem to come naturally and no longer seem to be a rule to follow. I&#039;m not discrediting these things. They can be helpful practices for some. Also, meditation can be beneficial in reducing stress and clearing the mind. So, even though I don&#039;t practice it, I do see how it can be helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post GF! It made perfect sense, but maybe some clarification will help. There are also organizations that practice both Zen and Pure Land. In this case, the Nembutsu is seen as meditation. Jodo Shinshu is hard to explain, but once understood, there is no need for self practices. The precepts seem to come naturally and no longer seem to be a rule to follow. I&#8217;m not discrediting these things. They can be helpful practices for some. Also, meditation can be beneficial in reducing stress and clearing the mind. So, even though I don&#8217;t practice it, I do see how it can be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Ford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Ford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcus: Thank you.  :)

Yueheng: Good points all.  You&#039;re right in that I am speaking more of Jodo Shinshu, which I should probably clarify in the post.  I&#039;ll fix that.

Jeannie:  You&#039;re right in that you should do what works.  My point here was just to encourage people who may be discouraged by other practices to try the nembutsu.  If medtiation works, please do it by all means.  I&#039;ll try to clarify that too.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus: Thank you.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yueheng: Good points all.  You&#8217;re right in that I am speaking more of Jodo Shinshu, which I should probably clarify in the post.  I&#8217;ll fix that.</p>
<p>Jeannie:  You&#8217;re right in that you should do what works.  My point here was just to encourage people who may be discouraged by other practices to try the nembutsu.  If medtiation works, please do it by all means.  I&#8217;ll try to clarify that too.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeannie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t remember for certain, but I think I&#039;ve discussed this here before.  Buddhist practices, for me, are &quot;tools&quot; to help me live the Teachings.  I&#039;ll take Zen as an example, since that is the tradition I follow:  while I feel that Zen meditation is invaluable to me, I think I&#039;d be missing the boat if I just sat on my cushion all day long.   What I try to do instead is follow the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.naljorprisondharmaservice.org/pdf/SixParamitas.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Six Paramitas&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eightfold Path&lt;/a&gt; to the best of my ability.  The tools (for me, a focus on meditation) is not my practice, but an assistant to my practice.

I&#039;ve never understood the &quot;Just Do It&quot; attitude (which I&#039;ve been told is very un-Zen of me) , such as, &quot;Just recite the nembutsu&quot;, or &quot;Just meditate&quot;.  I can just do a lot of things!  What I&#039;d like to know is why do such-and-such, but I answered that question a long time ago.  I follow Buddhism because I believe with my whole heart the Buddha&#039;s Teachings on suffering and how to end suffering for all beings.  The tools are there to help me with that. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember for certain, but I think I&#8217;ve discussed this here before.  Buddhist practices, for me, are &#8220;tools&#8221; to help me live the Teachings.  I&#8217;ll take Zen as an example, since that is the tradition I follow:  while I feel that Zen meditation is invaluable to me, I think I&#8217;d be missing the boat if I just sat on my cushion all day long.   What I try to do instead is follow the <a href="http://www.naljorprisondharmaservice.org/pdf/SixParamitas.htm" rel="nofollow">Six Paramitas</a> and the <a href="http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html" rel="nofollow">Eightfold Path</a> to the best of my ability.  The tools (for me, a focus on meditation) is not my practice, but an assistant to my practice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the &#8220;Just Do It&#8221; attitude (which I&#8217;ve been told is very un-Zen of me) , such as, &#8220;Just recite the nembutsu&#8221;, or &#8220;Just meditate&#8221;.  I can just do a lot of things!  What I&#8217;d like to know is why do such-and-such, but I answered that question a long time ago.  I follow Buddhism because I believe with my whole heart the Buddha&#8217;s Teachings on suffering and how to end suffering for all beings.  The tools are there to help me with that. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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