Comments on: The Marathon Monks http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Just Sitting http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1605 Just Sitting Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:20:57 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1605 Doug, thanks for pointing out this great documentary! Doug, thanks for pointing out this great documentary!

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By: Alexander http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1604 Alexander Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:18:27 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1604 It really is an extraordinary thing: I wonder how they do it with such little sleep. Also, I wonder how many practitioners have committed suicide when they didn't complete? Killing youself is generally regarded as an extremely negative act, of course. Also, I wonder that so few practitioners have done it. It seem like: if a few people could do it, then a few more would too. It really is an extraordinary thing: I wonder how they do it with such little sleep.

Also, I wonder how many practitioners have committed suicide when they didn’t complete? Killing youself is generally regarded as an extremely negative act, of course.

Also, I wonder that so few practitioners have done it. It seem like: if a few people could do it, then a few more would too.

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By: Dai Chi http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1603 Dai Chi Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:09:44 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1603 Thanks so much for this post (btw the video won't stream, you need to go to youtube to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06oMxdt40A). I have passed the link along to some of my Tendai colleagues. I'm far too old to take on the full kaihogyo, but a less rigorous version is the mainstay of my practice. For 2 to 3 hours a day I walk from sacred place to sacred place in all weathers. I believe the practice is about losing the sense of "I" and discovering the Buddha-nature in everything. Although difficult to describe in words, it is a powerful and deeply rewarding practice even at a level far short of the heroic efforts of the individuals in the video. If I am successful in completing my training and am ordained, I hope to teach and train others in it. Once again, many thanks. Thanks so much for this post (btw the video won’t stream, you need to go to youtube to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06oMxdt40A). I have passed the link along to some of my Tendai colleagues.

I’m far too old to take on the full kaihogyo, but a less rigorous version is the mainstay of my practice. For 2 to 3 hours a day I walk from sacred place to sacred place in all weathers. I believe the practice is about losing the sense of “I” and discovering the Buddha-nature in everything. Although difficult to describe in words, it is a powerful and deeply rewarding practice even at a level far short of the heroic efforts of the individuals in the video. If I am successful in completing my training and am ordained, I hope to teach and train others in it.

Once again, many thanks.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1602 Doug Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:35:28 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1602 Ha ha ha, yeah, believe that's what it was. Yeah, it's hard to separate what Shinran did/didn't do since, as you pointed out, some sources make him out to be a hero, while others are more down-to-earth. I think I might remove that reference anyways since I am not so confident on it now. :p Ha ha ha, yeah, believe that’s what it was. Yeah, it’s hard to separate what Shinran did/didn’t do since, as you pointed out, some sources make him out to be a hero, while others are more down-to-earth. I think I might remove that reference anyways since I am not so confident on it now. :p

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By: Kyōshin http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1601 Kyōshin Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:12:07 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1601 OK I get what you are referring to now ... Shinran's retreat at the Rokkakudo after he came down from Mt. Hiei. The letter in question is on my old website: http://uk.geocities.com/roof_of_hell/seiten/eshinni.html It doesn't actually mention the specifics of what practice he was doing though other than then time period. I'm not sure if there is any evidence as to whether he was doing jogyozammai type practice or not. As an aside; in Eshinni's letter it is Prince Shotoku who appears but Kakunyo later reported it as Kannon. Of course Shotoku was seen as an avatar of Kannon but it is an interesting alteration to the tale nonetheless. OK I get what you are referring to now … Shinran’s retreat at the Rokkakudo after he came down from Mt. Hiei. The letter in question is on my old website: http://uk.geocities.com/roof_of_hell/seiten/eshinni.html

It doesn’t actually mention the specifics of what practice he was doing though other than then time period. I’m not sure if there is any evidence as to whether he was doing jogyozammai type practice or not.

As an aside; in Eshinni’s letter it is Prince Shotoku who appears but Kakunyo later reported it as Kannon. Of course Shotoku was seen as an avatar of Kannon but it is an interesting alteration to the tale nonetheless.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1600 Doug Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:54:55 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1600 Hi Kyoushin, We'll have to dig up the letters. I know that Shinran did do that circumambulating practice since that's how he attained a vision from Kannon Bodhisattva who told him something to effect of "Go seek a monk named Honen" and that Kannon would find him a wife. I thought that was from Eshinni's letters since Shinran didn't like tlaking about his monk days himself. Hm, wonder what it was from, then... P.S. I might still be getting my facts up, so we should double-check. I wrote late night one night, so... Hi Kyoushin,

We’ll have to dig up the letters. I know that Shinran did do that circumambulating practice since that’s how he attained a vision from Kannon Bodhisattva who told him something to effect of “Go seek a monk named Honen” and that Kannon would find him a wife. I thought that was from Eshinni’s letters since Shinran didn’t like tlaking about his monk days himself.

Hm, wonder what it was from, then…

P.S. I might still be getting my facts up, so we should double-check. I wrote late night one night, so…

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By: Kyoshin http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/20/the-marathon-monks/#comment-1599 Kyoshin Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:49:59 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3106#comment-1599 "Shinran, the founder of the Jodo Shinshu sect, had once been a Tendai monk for 20 years. In a letter by his wife to his daughter, she tells a story where Shinran had been circumambulating a statue of Amida Buddha for 95 days without sitting down." Doug, I don't have the letters in front of me right now but I'm not sure that it does say this. (Though I am happy to be corrected if you have the passage to hand). I do recall that Eshinni says Shinran was a 'doso' but precisely what a doso was is a matter of debate. Most non-sectarian scholars seem to suggest it was quite a low-ranking role, probably of monks who performed the music and chanting to acocmpany those actually engaged in the jogyozammai practice. Of course sectarian people like Eiken Kobai claim Shinran was engaged in the most elite practices such as the one you describe. In the end we'll probably never know. “Shinran, the founder of the Jodo Shinshu sect, had once been a Tendai monk for 20 years. In a letter by his wife to his daughter, she tells a story where Shinran had been circumambulating a statue of Amida Buddha for 95 days without sitting down.”

Doug, I don’t have the letters in front of me right now but I’m not sure that it does say this. (Though I am happy to be corrected if you have the passage to hand).

I do recall that Eshinni says Shinran was a ‘doso’ but precisely what a doso was is a matter of debate. Most non-sectarian scholars seem to suggest it was quite a low-ranking role, probably of monks who performed the music and chanting to acocmpany those actually engaged in the jogyozammai practice. Of course sectarian people like Eiken Kobai claim Shinran was engaged in the most elite practices such as the one you describe. In the end we’ll probably never know.

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