Comments on: Introduction to Shinto religion http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-shinto-religion/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-shinto-religion/#comment-1627 Doug Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:09:06 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3272#comment-1627 Hm, well, you just might have a point. :) My impression of the relation between the Emperor and Shinto is mostly the post-war stuff, which does make a point to distance itself from the Imperial and the State Shinto stuff. I do recall in college courses on Japanese history that State Shinto really did play up the role of the Emperor as divine for propaganda purposes, and proof of racial superiority, but as to what happened before the Meiji period, I don't know a whole lot. Of the two books I read, Rev. Motohisa seems to have some pro-Japanese, controversial views toward certain other Western religions, while Rev. Yamamoto seems to take the opposite approach and tries to promote Shinto's nature-oriented, peaceful side. I guess, within Shinto, there's various sects and views, and different ones gain prominence at different times in history. Anyways, the point of this whole post wasn't to delve into politics, but to give a neutral overview of basic Shinto beliefs. Notice that in the post itself I never mentioned the Emperor, knowing the controversy of the late 19th and early 20th century. Hm, well, you just might have a point. :) My impression of the relation between the Emperor and Shinto is mostly the post-war stuff, which does make a point to distance itself from the Imperial and the State Shinto stuff. I do recall in college courses on Japanese history that State Shinto really did play up the role of the Emperor as divine for propaganda purposes, and proof of racial superiority, but as to what happened before the Meiji period, I don’t know a whole lot.

Of the two books I read, Rev. Motohisa seems to have some pro-Japanese, controversial views toward certain other Western religions, while Rev. Yamamoto seems to take the opposite approach and tries to promote Shinto’s nature-oriented, peaceful side. I guess, within Shinto, there’s various sects and views, and different ones gain prominence at different times in history.

Anyways, the point of this whole post wasn’t to delve into politics, but to give a neutral overview of basic Shinto beliefs. Notice that in the post itself I never mentioned the Emperor, knowing the controversy of the late 19th and early 20th century.

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By: Tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-shinto-religion/#comment-1626 Tornadoes28 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:40:24 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3272#comment-1626 I have read several academic type Japanese history books that have said that the imperial families divine status is one of the reasons why the shoguns and wariors still worked with or justified the emperor. The historic imperial family, the Yamato clan, from my various readings, created a belief in their divinity in order to legitimize their claim as the imperial family. Some references to this were from the book `The World Turned Upside Down: Medieval Japanese Society`. According to this book, the emperors definitely did not delagate to the Minimoto Shoguns. Shortly after the Minamoto took control, those loyal to the emperors attempted to regain control from the Minamoto shoguns but were defeated. This was in 1221. It was the first time the the emperors forces were defeated in Japanese history. In 1333, the Emperor Go-Daigo once again attempted to regain control and did so for three years. But he too was also defeated by the new Ashikaga shoguns in 1336. Up through the 1860, according to several books at least, the emperor had many followers who considered him divine. Now, I am not saying that the other leaders in Japan such as the shogun, actually believed in the emperors divinity. But I beleive that many did and this prevented the shoguns from eliminating the emperor. Otherwise, I think the last Tokugawa shoguns would have done just that. I have read several academic type Japanese history books that have said that the imperial families divine status is one of the reasons why the shoguns and wariors still worked with or justified the emperor. The historic imperial family, the Yamato clan, from my various readings, created a belief in their divinity in order to legitimize their claim as the imperial family. Some references to this were from the book `The World Turned Upside Down: Medieval Japanese Society`. According to this book, the emperors definitely did not delagate to the Minimoto Shoguns. Shortly after the Minamoto took control, those loyal to the emperors attempted to regain control from the Minamoto shoguns but were defeated. This was in 1221. It was the first time the the emperors forces were defeated in Japanese history.

In 1333, the Emperor Go-Daigo once again attempted to regain control and did so for three years. But he too was also defeated by the new Ashikaga shoguns in 1336.

Up through the 1860, according to several books at least, the emperor had many followers who considered him divine. Now, I am not saying that the other leaders in Japan such as the shogun, actually believed in the emperors divinity. But I beleive that many did and this prevented the shoguns from eliminating the emperor. Otherwise, I think the last Tokugawa shoguns would have done just that.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-shinto-religion/#comment-1623 Doug Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:46:03 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3272#comment-1623 I am not sure I totally agree with that. The "divine status" thing seems to be more related to artificial state Shinto that arose later. This is the only Shinto though that most Westerners are familiar with, hence the common misconception. The reverence for the emperor though is more of a product of Confucian thought, where an Emperor reigns with moral uprightness and delegates actual responsibility to ministers, and the Shogun is all too happy to take over those responsibilities. It's true that early myths in texts the Nihon Shoki and others claim Imperial descent form Amaterasu, but scholars think this was more done as as ploy to set the Japanese emperor on part with the Chinese Emperor. That divine status did not necessarily mean much in day to day affairs, though the Emperor's kept up a number of heavenly ceremonies even after they lost power, simply because that was the role that Confucian thought felt was proper (same was done under Chinese emperors). In short, the role of the Emperor in Japan, or elsewhere is more complex and not because people really thought he was a god. Only in State Shinto, did they re-write the myths to claim actual divinity of the Imperial family. I am not sure I totally agree with that. The “divine status” thing seems to be more related to artificial state Shinto that arose later. This is the only Shinto though that most Westerners are familiar with, hence the common misconception. The reverence for the emperor though is more of a product of Confucian thought, where an Emperor reigns with moral uprightness and delegates actual responsibility to ministers, and the Shogun is all too happy to take over those responsibilities.

It’s true that early myths in texts the Nihon Shoki and others claim Imperial descent form Amaterasu, but scholars think this was more done as as ploy to set the Japanese emperor on part with the Chinese Emperor. That divine status did not necessarily mean much in day to day affairs, though the Emperor’s kept up a number of heavenly ceremonies even after they lost power, simply because that was the role that Confucian thought felt was proper (same was done under Chinese emperors).

In short, the role of the Emperor in Japan, or elsewhere is more complex and not because people really thought he was a god. Only in State Shinto, did they re-write the myths to claim actual divinity of the Imperial family.

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By: Tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-shinto-religion/#comment-1622 Tornadoes28 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:41:49 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3272#comment-1622 Shinto is the main reason that the Imperial house of Japan has existed for so long and was never eliminated. For 700 years until 1868, Japan was ruled by the warrior class, the samurai. The emperor was relegated to figurehead. But the warriors did not eliminate the emperor. Actually, they needed the emperor for the warlords legitimacy. The great shoguns were the real rulers but they could not eliminate the emperor. This was due to the emperors shinto divinity. Shinto is the main reason that the Imperial house of Japan has existed for so long and was never eliminated. For 700 years until 1868, Japan was ruled by the warrior class, the samurai. The emperor was relegated to figurehead. But the warriors did not eliminate the emperor. Actually, they needed the emperor for the warlords legitimacy. The great shoguns were the real rulers but they could not eliminate the emperor. This was due to the emperors shinto divinity.

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