Comments on: Who’s who in Buddhism, part 4: Kannon Bodhisattva http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Shinyo http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-5809 Shinyo Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:56:18 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-5809 I just found a Kannon or Quan Yin statue in an interesting place today. At Will Rogers Shrine to the Sun, in the chapel! I'm curious if anyone knows why it is there. Also, at the entrance to the shrine are Chinese guardian lions or "foo dogs". I just found a Kannon or Quan Yin statue in an interesting place today. At Will Rogers Shrine to the Sun, in the chapel! I’m curious if anyone knows why it is there. Also, at the entrance to the shrine are Chinese guardian lions or “foo dogs”.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-3347 Doug Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:20:35 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-3347 Hi John, I finally had a chance to make the corrections. Thank you so much for finding this out for me. This was not a trivial thing, I imagine. :) Hi John,

I finally had a chance to make the corrections. Thank you so much for finding this out for me. This was not a trivial thing, I imagine. :)

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-3302 Doug Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:18:56 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-3302 Hi John, Thanks <em>very</em> for your persistence in figuring this one out. I'll update the blog post once I get settled in the US, in a few days. I've made a note elsewhere so I don't forget. :) Hi John,

Thanks very for your persistence in figuring this one out. I’ll update the blog post once I get settled in the US, in a few days. I’ve made a note elsewhere so I don’t forget. :)

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By: johnl http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-3291 johnl Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:31:53 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-3291 I am giving this a bump, because I finally found out about the two statues in front of the altar at Sensoji--the ones flanking the curtain with the Siddham letter on it. They are Taishaku Ten on the left and Bon Ten on the right. Just setting the record straight. JL I am giving this a bump, because I finally found out about the two statues in front of the altar at Sensoji–the ones flanking the curtain with the Siddham letter on it. They are Taishaku Ten on the left and Bon Ten on the right.

Just setting the record straight.

JL

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2852 Doug Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:36:01 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2852 Hi Johnl, I had no idea that was your hometown's Museum. Very cool. As for the Sensoji altar, you may be right. I honestly don't know what those two statues are, but I had assumed it was Kannon. If you find out, let me know. I will definitely update where I can. Also, I wasn't aware that the real image is behind the curtain. I thought that was just a backdrop. :p Hi Johnl,

I had no idea that was your hometown’s Museum. Very cool. As for the Sensoji altar, you may be right. I honestly don’t know what those two statues are, but I had assumed it was Kannon. If you find out, let me know. I will definitely update where I can. Also, I wasn’t aware that the real image is behind the curtain. I thought that was just a backdrop. :p

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By: johnl http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2836 johnl Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:19:14 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2836 I was glad to see the first pic of Kannon, which is in my home town, in the Nelson-Atkins Museum. The Chinese collection there is all the more remarkable for its location in midwest US. The altar of Sensoji (second pic) conceals the main image of Kannon--it is a 秘仏 a hidden Buddha statue, behind the curtain with the Siddham letter on it. My Asakusa guide association friend tells me that the curtain is only opened once a year for 30 seconds or so, in the middle of the night in complete darkness, so it is safe to say that virtually no one has ever seen it! Are you sure the flanking figures are also Kannon? I had better do some checking before I challenge that. But it seems kind of redundant... Regards, JL I was glad to see the first pic of Kannon, which is in my home town, in the Nelson-Atkins Museum. The Chinese collection there is all the more remarkable for its location in midwest US.

The altar of Sensoji (second pic) conceals the main image of Kannon–it is a 秘仏 a hidden Buddha statue, behind the curtain with the Siddham letter on it. My Asakusa guide association friend tells me that the curtain is only opened once a year for 30 seconds or so, in the middle of the night in complete darkness, so it is safe to say that virtually no one has ever seen it!

Are you sure the flanking figures are also Kannon? I had better do some checking before I challenge that. But it seems kind of redundant…

Regards,
JL

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2778 Doug Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:37:32 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2778 Hi Robert, those statues might also be Benzaiten, the Hindu goddess Saraswati. I could be totally wrong though. Saraswati is depicted as female with many arms and such. Her role in Buddhism is pretty periphery, but somehow she became a kind of folk-goddess in Japan, especially tied to the sea, or with water. I think the link you posted also had some info on that. As for the hidden Catholics, I heard about the use of Kannon to represent Mary as well. I can't blame them, since like you said, they were cut off and had to work with the material they had. Orthodox groups in Rome may find this heretical, but I'd say the loss is their's. :) Speaking of which, a good friend of mine I grew up with became a Catholic priest, and had a strong interest in China. He had a number of images from China of Guan-Yin, as well as those of Mary and indeed, there is a strong similarity. I think it's a kind of convergence reflecting similar ideas in both traditions. On the other hand, other Buddhist texts imply that Kannon has no form, so I think the female-form of Kannon is a kind of convention to express the tender compassion of a Bodhisattva (since women have a strong mother instinct). The "loving all beings as one's mother" theme appears in other Buddhist texts as well not related to Kannon. :) Hi Robert, those statues might also be Benzaiten, the Hindu goddess Saraswati. I could be totally wrong though. Saraswati is depicted as female with many arms and such. Her role in Buddhism is pretty periphery, but somehow she became a kind of folk-goddess in Japan, especially tied to the sea, or with water. I think the link you posted also had some info on that.

As for the hidden Catholics, I heard about the use of Kannon to represent Mary as well. I can’t blame them, since like you said, they were cut off and had to work with the material they had. Orthodox groups in Rome may find this heretical, but I’d say the loss is their’s. :)

Speaking of which, a good friend of mine I grew up with became a Catholic priest, and had a strong interest in China. He had a number of images from China of Guan-Yin, as well as those of Mary and indeed, there is a strong similarity. I think it’s a kind of convergence reflecting similar ideas in both traditions. On the other hand, other Buddhist texts imply that Kannon has no form, so I think the female-form of Kannon is a kind of convention to express the tender compassion of a Bodhisattva (since women have a strong mother instinct). The “loving all beings as one’s mother” theme appears in other Buddhist texts as well not related to Kannon. :)

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By: ロバート http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2777 ロバート Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:56:32 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2777 I've seen statues of Kannon Bodhisattva enshrined in a Shinto shrine. I'm not sure how usual or unusual this is. As the shrine is to a sea diety, this seems to be the reason the statues were of Kannon or could be confused with Kannon. http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/suijin.html Despite being attached to an Onsen hotel, it was an unusual and beautiful place. Perhaps unique in that you enter a volcanic hot spring outdoor bath that is itself the shrine. It's also interesting that Japanese hidden Catholics would use statues of Kannon to represent Mary. I think in the years of isolation the various traditions may have been mixed up to produce something new (and probably heretical according to Rome) I’ve seen statues of Kannon Bodhisattva enshrined in a Shinto shrine.
I’m not sure how usual or unusual this is.

As the shrine is to a sea diety, this seems to be the reason the statues were of Kannon or could be confused with Kannon.
http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/suijin.html

Despite being attached to an Onsen hotel, it was an unusual and beautiful place. Perhaps unique in that you enter a volcanic hot spring outdoor bath that is itself the shrine.

It’s also interesting that Japanese hidden Catholics would use statues of Kannon to represent Mary. I think in the years of isolation the various traditions may have been mixed up to produce something new (and probably heretical according to Rome)

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By: Jeff Wilson http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2774 Jeff Wilson Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:22:34 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2774 Thanks Doug, that was the tip I needed. I went to U-CAN and found the complete 13 dvd set for about 37000 yen. Thanks Doug, that was the tip I needed. I went to U-CAN and found the complete 13 dvd set for about 37000 yen.

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By: Stephen http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/08/whos-who-in-buddhism-part-4-kannon-bodhisattva/#comment-2772 Stephen Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:42:34 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=3684#comment-2772 Shan-tao (Inagaki translation) Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva, out of great compassion, Does not stay in the Bodhi which he has already realized; Refusing to become a Buddha until all other sentient beings have attained enlightment, now that must be the ultimate compasionate Bodhisattva vow... 南無観世音菩薩 Shan-tao (Inagaki translation)
Avalokiteshvara Bodhisattva, out of great compassion,
Does not stay in the Bodhi which he has already realized;

Refusing to become a Buddha until all other sentient beings have attained enlightment, now that must be the ultimate compasionate Bodhisattva vow…

南無観世音菩薩

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