Comments on: Understanding Chinese Buddhism, early Japanese Buddhism http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2850 Doug Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:25:03 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2850 Hi Johnl and welcome to the JLR (yes, I know you. :) ). I think you're right in that Japanese Buddhism is more mixed than people think, so the problem as I see it is that most folks into Japanese Buddhism don't go to Japan. They read it in books where everything is cut-and-dry, but know nothing about what it's like on the ground. Too many snap-judgements as a result. :-/ I really learned a lot the first time I went there, and that really made me a more serious Buddhist than I was in the past. Hi Johnl and welcome to the JLR (yes, I know you. :) ). I think you’re right in that Japanese Buddhism is more mixed than people think, so the problem as I see it is that most folks into Japanese Buddhism don’t go to Japan. They read it in books where everything is cut-and-dry, but know nothing about what it’s like on the ground. Too many snap-judgements as a result. :-/

I really learned a lot the first time I went there, and that really made me a more serious Buddhist than I was in the past.

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By: johnl http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2835 johnl Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:46:04 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2835 (I forgot to mention, I am 'tsuzumi' on that other board.) JL (I forgot to mention, I am ‘tsuzumi’ on that other board.)
JL

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By: johnl http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2834 johnl Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:44:52 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2834 Hi, Doug! Sorry I haven't gotten around to responding before now! I think there is a lot more blending of sects in Japan than we might suspect at first glance. I went to a famous temple known familiarly as Shibamata Taishaku Ten (in the neighborhood that is the setting for the famous 'Tora-san' movies). It is a Nichiren Shu temple--it seems there is a picture of Taishaku Ten painted on the back of a Gohonzon, thus the temple's appellation. Also, there is a statue of Dainichi Nyorai (outside, not in a building.) To see azaleas, I went to a Jodo temple in Kamakura, in a neighborhood of many Nichiren temples--Matsubagayatsu. This Jodo temple had a five-part (five-element) stone monument with Siddham letters all over it. At a Jodo temple in Setagaya-ku, there was a Jizo statue with several of those thin wooden sotopa sticks around it. One of the sticks had a Siddham letter and the Shingon mantra of Jizo written on it. I think things became a lot more separate and distinct in Kukai's time and later, but I notice there is still a surprising amount of admixture. (On another topic, my approach to Buddhism is a bit on the hobbyist side.) Anyway, thanks for the interesting blog! Regards, JL Hi, Doug! Sorry I haven’t gotten around to responding before now!

I think there is a lot more blending of sects in Japan than we might suspect at first glance. I went to a famous temple known familiarly as Shibamata Taishaku Ten (in the neighborhood that is the setting for the famous ‘Tora-san’ movies). It is a Nichiren Shu temple–it seems there is a picture of Taishaku Ten painted on the back of a Gohonzon, thus the temple’s appellation. Also, there is a statue of Dainichi Nyorai (outside, not in a building.)

To see azaleas, I went to a Jodo temple in Kamakura, in a neighborhood of many Nichiren temples–Matsubagayatsu. This Jodo temple had a five-part (five-element) stone monument with Siddham letters all over it.

At a Jodo temple in Setagaya-ku, there was a Jizo statue with several of those thin wooden sotopa sticks around it. One of the sticks had a Siddham letter and the Shingon mantra of Jizo written on it. I think things became a lot more separate and distinct in Kukai’s time and later, but I notice there is still a surprising amount of admixture.

(On another topic, my approach to Buddhism is a bit on the hobbyist side.)

Anyway, thanks for the interesting blog!

Regards,
JL

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By: Tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2820 Tornadoes28 Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:16:43 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2820 Very interesting. Thank you for this information. Very interesting. Thank you for this information.

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By: JonJ http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2819 JonJ Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:44:50 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2819 Modern students of the history of Chan/Zen are finding out that much if not most of the traditional history has only a slight relationship with reality. But that's only one branch of the tradition. Recently I looked at a few pieces that argued that there never was such as person as the Buddha in the first place. Some of these arguments don't sound very reality-based themselves to me, but the important thing we do possess, I think, is the Dharma/Dhamma itself, wherever it came from. And one interesting result of all of these Asian traditional threads of the Dharma/Dhamma coming together and reweaving themselves here in the West, I also think, is that we are beginning to see that they are largely different ways of expressing basically the same teaching, which appeal to different people with different mind-sets. (I realize that this is a hugely controversial point, so I don't expect every follower of the Dharma/Dhamma to agree with it.) Modern students of the history of Chan/Zen are finding out that much if not most of the traditional history has only a slight relationship with reality.

But that’s only one branch of the tradition. Recently I looked at a few pieces that argued that there never was such as person as the Buddha in the first place. Some of these arguments don’t sound very reality-based themselves to me, but the important thing we do possess, I think, is the Dharma/Dhamma itself, wherever it came from.

And one interesting result of all of these Asian traditional threads of the Dharma/Dhamma coming together and reweaving themselves here in the West, I also think, is that we are beginning to see that they are largely different ways of expressing basically the same teaching, which appeal to different people with different mind-sets. (I realize that this is a hugely controversial point, so I don’t expect every follower of the Dharma/Dhamma to agree with it.)

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By: dougrogers http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/06/21/understanding-chinese-buddhism-early-japanese-buddhism/#comment-2818 dougrogers Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:12:28 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4272#comment-2818 Just a call out to say I enjoyed this information. Thanks. Just a call out to say I enjoyed this information. Thanks.

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