Comments on: Buddhism and Sex, a Meiji-era perspective http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/ My life as a father, Buddhist, Japanophile and Koreaphile. Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:18:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Linda Lane http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3063 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:29:47 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3063 In my not so humble opinion – no body, including Buddhas can make beings adhere to anything, certainly not to precepts. Beings choose to adhere to precepts because they understand the laws of cause and effect are laws, or they do so out of fear of the results, or simply because it is right for them.

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By: Marcus http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3050 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:36:17 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3050 Thank you Eld and Doug.
:)

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By: eld http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3047 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:42:08 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3047 Doug and Marcus,

There are long traditions of Monk-Boy love in Tibet, China, Korea and yes Japan. In fact there are a number of manuals that were written describing how sex acts could be done in ways that kept the precepts. In fact some forms of tantric Buddhism saw ways in which sexual acts done properly could lead one to enlightenment, such as the Tachikawa-ryu an 11th century Shingon sect, which ritualized male-female copulation. Tachikawa-ryu was later outlawed in the 13th century.

What makes the Meiji era so interesting, to me anyways, is that a whole host of things historical, religious and other come together and sort of explode on the scene. In response to your reply to my earlier comment, I wonder who considers Faure’s book to be a scandel or example of poor scholarship and why? Having read the book and a number of reviews I would suggest once again the scholarship is spot on, though maybe a bit different than most folks would like. I don’t have time to track down the link but a past issue of Pacific World, The Journal of the Institute of Buddhist Studies published a panel discussion of this book. I would suggest reading that and the book. It really is filled with information that makes someone uncomfortable at times, but I think that too is one of the roles of scholarship to encourage us to reconsider our notions of what something is, or is not. To that end, Faure’s work is outstanding.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3045 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:14:28 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3045 Eld: Thanks for the suggestions. I admit I am not interested in anything scandalous, I just thought Doni’s refutation of the usual excuses really spot-on. Also, if “Red Thread” is the book I am thinking of, I’ve heard from very respectable sources, that the books scholarship is pretty sketchy at places, so I would like to know more before I consider reading it.

As for “Neither Monk, Nor Layman”, that does sound interesting, so I may well take you up on that one! :D

Marcus Doni implies, like the article, that there are plenty of monks who break the basic precepts. I remember the Zen Monk Ikkyu joking about some teachers and their “special private lessons” with some students. Also, based on the Tokugawa Shogunate’s periodic crackdowns on monks tells me that many clerics didn’t take it seriously. It’s the one’s who do, like Doni, though that I can’t help but respect. :)

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By: Marcus http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3044 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:41:01 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3044 Hi Doug,

I’m just reading “Samurai Wiliam”, have you read it? It has an amusing bearing on todays post!

It seems that when the first westerners came to Japan, Portugese explorers and traders in the 16th century, they were mighty impressed by Japan and Japanese culture and wrote long letters home full of praise for this new country. In fact, most Europeans arriving during this period readilly accepted that they’d found a culture superior to their own.

But one thing that did stike a discordant note in them though, was the sexual habits of the Japanese monks! In 1547 Capatin lvaraz visited Japan and wrote back about how wonderful Japan was, and how pious its monks were except for this one thing – how at the end of services the monks would “egage in sodomy with the boys whom they instruct”!

Well, no unwanted pregnancies there then! LOL

All the best,

Marcus

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By: eld http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2009/08/09/buddhism-and-sex-a-meiji-era-perspective/#comment-3043 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:17:10 +0000 http://nihonshukyo.wordpress.com/?p=4740#comment-3043 If you are really interested in Buddhism and sex (this could be taken in a number of ways), Bernard Faure has done some great work in that area. His book “The Red Thread” is the go to book for those in the academy interested in this area. Also worth checking out on the Nikujiku Saitai Law (肉食妻帯) is Richard Jaffe’s “Neither Monk, Nor Layman.” Both are quick reads and very academic.

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