Comments on: Shinran’s 750th Memorial http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-4426 Doug Thu, 05 Aug 2010 04:37:07 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-4426 Hi Pandabonium and welcome to the JLR! Hope you enjoy the book, and your time at Ibaraki Prefecture. Never been there myself. :) Hi Pandabonium and welcome to the JLR! Hope you enjoy the book, and your time at Ibaraki Prefecture. Never been there myself. :)

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By: Pandabonium http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-4404 Pandabonium Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:13:02 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-4404 Thank you for a very interesting post. I attended a Hongwanji Temple for many years in Hawaii and now live in Ibaraki Prefecture (where Shinran spent many years in exile). Thanks too for the information regarding the book by James Dobbins. I just ordered a used copy and look forward to reading it. In gassho. Thank you for a very interesting post. I attended a Hongwanji Temple for many years in Hawaii and now live in Ibaraki Prefecture (where Shinran spent many years in exile). Thanks too for the information regarding the book by James Dobbins. I just ordered a used copy and look forward to reading it.
In gassho.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3725 Doug Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:37:33 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3725 P.S. Tornado, definitely go in and see a service once if you can. It's a great way to learn how a certain Buddhist sect works beyond what's in the textbook. P.S. Tornado, definitely go in and see a service once if you can. It’s a great way to learn how a certain Buddhist sect works beyond what’s in the textbook.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3724 Doug Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:33:59 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3724 Hi guys: <strong>Kyoshin:</strong> Thanks! I missed the compound kanji in the first two characters: http://www.jisho.org/words?jap=%E5%A0%B1%E6%81%A9&eng=&dict=edict Rather sloppy of me. I'll fix that right away! <strong>Tornado:</strong> Yeah, good point on the statues. It's the same in Seattle too. However, in each sect I've encountered, the founder is elevated to a pretty high status. In Shingon for example, mantras are recited to Kukai in hopes of rebirth in the Tushita heaven with him and Maitreya. Dogen's role in Soto Zen is the alpha and omega among Western Zen Buddhists despite the prolific number of other worthy monks before and after (for example few take notice of the fact that Dogen high revered Eisai, founder of Rinzai and his teacher for a time). It seems to be a feature of Japanese Buddhism in particular to elevate one's own founder to near-mythic proportions which I guess is part of the struggle for legitimacy in a crowded field. :-p I am sure other Buddhist sects outside Japan do this too, but Japnese Buddhism is particularly fractured along sectarian lines, and I think it's more visible. Hi guys:

Kyoshin: Thanks! I missed the compound kanji in the first two characters:

http://www.jisho.org/words?jap=%E5%A0%B1%E6%81%A9&eng=&dict=edict

Rather sloppy of me. I’ll fix that right away!

Tornado: Yeah, good point on the statues. It’s the same in Seattle too. However, in each sect I’ve encountered, the founder is elevated to a pretty high status. In Shingon for example, mantras are recited to Kukai in hopes of rebirth in the Tushita heaven with him and Maitreya. Dogen’s role in Soto Zen is the alpha and omega among Western Zen Buddhists despite the prolific number of other worthy monks before and after (for example few take notice of the fact that Dogen high revered Eisai, founder of Rinzai and his teacher for a time). It seems to be a feature of Japanese Buddhism in particular to elevate one’s own founder to near-mythic proportions which I guess is part of the struggle for legitimacy in a crowded field. :-p I am sure other Buddhist sects outside Japan do this too, but Japnese Buddhism is particularly fractured along sectarian lines, and I think it’s more visible.

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By: Tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3723 Tornadoes28 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:32:54 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3723 I agree that they don't elevate him to the level of Amida but there is a lot of emphasis. For example when I visit various temples here in downtown Los Angeles, the Soto Zen and the Shingon Koyasan temples both have statues of Kannon and Jizo in front of the temple (the Koyasan also has a statue of Kbo Daishi). While the Nishi Hongwanji temple has a large statue of Shinran. Now I will admit that I have not entered these temples let alone participated in any type of service. I agree that they don’t elevate him to the level of Amida but there is a lot of emphasis. For example when I visit various temples here in downtown Los Angeles, the Soto Zen and the Shingon Koyasan temples both have statues of Kannon and Jizo in front of the temple (the Koyasan also has a statue of Kbo Daishi). While the Nishi Hongwanji temple has a large statue of Shinran. Now I will admit that I have not entered these temples let alone participated in any type of service.

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By: Kyōshin http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3722 Kyōshin Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:03:55 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3722 Hi Doug, "Literally, the Chinese characters ho-on mean "return of gratitude" and ko means "to clarify the meaning of" or "gathering" of those who wish to return this gratitude." http://www.btsd.net/Services/Hoonko.html Gassho, K Hi Doug,

“Literally, the Chinese characters ho-on mean “return of
gratitude” and ko means “to clarify the meaning of” or
“gathering” of those who wish to return this gratitude.”

http://www.btsd.net/Services/Hoonko.html

Gassho, K

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3719 Doug Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:26:42 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3719 Hi Tornado, I don't know if they elevate him to the level of Amida Buddha, that's not been my experience, but they do tend to sound very saintly and populist, which irks me a little. I am actually only half-way through Dobbins, but have read enough to get a good general idea of the early history, which is both infuriating (so much nasty politics), and fascinating as it covers lesser-known Shinshu sects still in existence today. Good times. :) A similiar book on Soto Zen is likewise fascinating and infuriating. ;) Hi Tornado,

I don’t know if they elevate him to the level of Amida Buddha, that’s not been my experience, but they do tend to sound very saintly and populist, which irks me a little.

I am actually only half-way through Dobbins, but have read enough to get a good general idea of the early history, which is both infuriating (so much nasty politics), and fascinating as it covers lesser-known Shinshu sects still in existence today. Good times. :)

A similiar book on Soto Zen is likewise fascinating and infuriating. ;)

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By: Tornadoes28 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/01/18/shinrans-750th-memorial-2/#comment-3718 Tornadoes28 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:40:44 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=6590#comment-3718 Excellent and informative post. Shinran is definitely one of the great Buddhist teachers and I respect him a lot but I also wonder why the Hongwanji elevates Shinran so much. It seems to me that Amida should be given more emphasis but I am not a devout follower of Jodo Shinshu so I may be just misunderstanding. Anyways, I also read the Dobbins book as well and thoroughly enjoyed it. It has been a few years since I read it though so I would like to re-read it (along with several dozen other books). Excellent and informative post. Shinran is definitely one of the great Buddhist teachers and I respect him a lot but I also wonder why the Hongwanji elevates Shinran so much. It seems to me that Amida should be given more emphasis but I am not a devout follower of Jodo Shinshu so I may be just misunderstanding. Anyways, I also read the Dobbins book as well and thoroughly enjoyed it. It has been a few years since I read it though so I would like to re-read it (along with several dozen other books).

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