Comments on: What IS the path to redemption in Buddhism? http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Sat, 11 Jun 2011 01:53:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Marcus http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3867 Marcus Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:10:01 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3867 _/\_ _/\_

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3866 Doug Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:38:44 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3866 Yeah I think you hit upon a really good point: comparing religions is fraught with peril. :-( Also good point about Theravada, though for the record I stated this artcile was a Mahayana-only one early on. ;-) Cheers mate! Yeah I think you hit upon a really good point: comparing religions is
fraught with peril. :-(

Also good point about Theravada, though for the record I stated this artcile was a Mahayana-only one early on. ;-)

Cheers mate!

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By: Marcus http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3865 Marcus Thu, 04 Mar 2010 03:24:52 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3865 Hi Doug, This is the whole problem with comparing religions. People who are not Buddhist have recently been criticised for speaking about what they don't know. And yet, in response, many Buddhists have made broad sweeping statements about Christianity that are just as ignoranty and do just as much to create division rather than friendship. I honestly think it is better if people stopped comparing and contrasting religions and stopped trying to score points off each other. As for the idea that "Hell is frequently seen as a terminal existence, and Buddhism doesn’t subscribe to this view", I would kind of agree except (1) Buddhist hell might not be eternal, but it can last many millions of billions of kalpas - which would pretty much feel eternal if you were going through it! (2) Though in Mahayanan Buddhism everyone will eventually get to Buddhahood, in Theravada this isn't necessarily so. I've often asked this question to Therevadan monks and have been often told that, indeed, there is no gaurantee of Nirvana - meaning that hell, or least some form of samsara, is eternal for many. Anyway, like I say, trying to compare and contrast and 'call out' other religions and schools of thought is never very helpful in my opinion and so I'll stop there and just say again how much (except for the one sentence taking a dig at Christianity) I enjoyed your article. It's a lovely, clear piece of writing with excellent gounding and quotes. Thank you again so much. Marcus Hi Doug,

This is the whole problem with comparing religions. People who are not Buddhist have recently been criticised for speaking about what they don’t know. And yet, in response, many Buddhists have made broad sweeping statements about Christianity that are just as ignoranty and do just as much to create division rather than friendship. I honestly think it is better if people stopped comparing and contrasting religions and stopped trying to score points off each other.

As for the idea that “Hell is frequently seen as a terminal existence, and Buddhism doesn’t subscribe to this view”, I would kind of agree except (1) Buddhist hell might not be eternal, but it can last many millions of billions of kalpas – which would pretty much feel eternal if you were going through it! (2) Though in Mahayanan Buddhism everyone will eventually get to Buddhahood, in Theravada this isn’t necessarily so. I’ve often asked this question to Therevadan monks and have been often told that, indeed, there is no gaurantee of Nirvana – meaning that hell, or least some form of samsara, is eternal for many.

Anyway, like I say, trying to compare and contrast and ‘call out’ other religions and schools of thought is never very helpful in my opinion and so I’ll stop there and just say again how much (except for the one sentence taking a dig at Christianity) I enjoyed your article. It’s a lovely, clear piece of writing with excellent gounding and quotes. Thank you again so much.

Marcus

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3864 Doug Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:51:08 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3864 Hi guys, <strong>Marcus</strong>: Your comments are well-taken, though it wasn't meant to be mean-spirited, just calling out what is the mainstream belief in that faith. Hell is frequently seen as a terminal existence, and Buddhism doesn't subscribe to this view. The gospel of Judas, like other such texts, is a gnostic text and isn't a mainstream text, so few people would know of it. It's a fair point in that there are liberal Christian views as well as conservative ones, but such critics of Buddhism are generally not of the liberal strain, and are not interested in Gnostic views in any case. :-/ <strong>Stephen</strong>: A very thought-provoking point. It's classic Kegon thinking in that Buddhism can't exist without its critics and ignorance of Buddhism. One is contained in the other, etc, etc, hence it's only right to feel some gratitude. Hi guys,

Marcus: Your comments are well-taken, though it wasn’t meant to be mean-spirited, just calling out what is the mainstream belief in that faith. Hell is frequently seen as a terminal existence, and Buddhism doesn’t subscribe to this view. The gospel of Judas, like other such texts, is a gnostic text and isn’t a mainstream text, so few people would know of it. It’s a fair point in that there are liberal Christian views as well as conservative ones, but such critics of Buddhism are generally not of the liberal strain, and are not interested in Gnostic views in any case. :-/

Stephen: A very thought-provoking point. It’s classic Kegon thinking in that Buddhism can’t exist without its critics and ignorance of Buddhism. One is contained in the other, etc, etc, hence it’s only right to feel some gratitude.

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By: Stephen http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3863 Stephen Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:57:09 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3863 Without Devadattta, we wouldn't have the Contemplation Sutra. Without Akashi no Sada-akira we wouldn't have the teachings of Honen. Karma works in ways we cannot understand. Great post, Stephen Without Devadattta, we wouldn’t have the Contemplation Sutra.
Without Akashi no Sada-akira we wouldn’t have the teachings of Honen. Karma works in ways we cannot understand.
Great post,
Stephen

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By: Marcus http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3862 Marcus Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:32:49 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3862 Hi Doug, Yes, a wonderful article! Thank you so much! Apart from the dig at Christianity half way through (which comes across as a bit mean spirited to be honest) this is a really superb post that addresses an important issue and is based on the whole broad range of Buddhist thought. Wonderful stuff - it deserves to be widely read. Thank you so much, and with palms together, Marcus PS - for more on the whole question of Judas, a good place to start would be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas Hi Doug,

Yes, a wonderful article! Thank you so much! Apart from the dig at Christianity half way through (which comes across as a bit mean spirited to be honest) this is a really superb post that addresses an important issue and is based on the whole broad range of Buddhist thought. Wonderful stuff – it deserves to be widely read.

Thank you so much, and with palms together,

Marcus

PS – for more on the whole question of Judas, a good place to start would be here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3861 Doug Wed, 03 Mar 2010 05:11:04 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3861 Hello Dhammagevesi and welcome! Thank you for the advice. I agree the confusion is a problem. I should go back and correct that. Because I say 念仏 anyway, I usually don't get confused, but it's hard to explain in English as you can see. :) Take care! Hello Dhammagevesi and welcome!

Thank you for the advice. I agree the confusion is a problem. I should go back and correct that. Because I say 念仏 anyway, I usually don’t get confused, but it’s hard to explain in English as you can see. :)

Take care!

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By: Dhammagevesi http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3858 Dhammagevesi Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:10:30 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3858 Very interesting post There is one aspect Regarding reciting Lord Buddha's Name which doesn't seem quite right Amitayas and Amitabha are widely believed to be two different Buddhas Therefor it may not be correct to recite Amitayas if one is wishing for the Pure Land For Non Chinese I would suggest reciting Namo Amitabha Buddha Apart from that A thoroughly enjoyable post Thanks Very interesting post
There is one aspect Regarding reciting Lord Buddha’s Name which doesn’t seem quite right
Amitayas and Amitabha are widely believed to be two different Buddhas Therefor it may not be correct to recite Amitayas if one is wishing for the Pure Land
For Non Chinese I would suggest reciting Namo Amitabha Buddha
Apart from that A thoroughly enjoyable post Thanks

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3855 Doug Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:14:29 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3855 Hi Everyone, <strong>kether1985</strong>: Welcome to the JLR and thanks for the information. <strong>tigeryogiji</strong>: Ha ha ha, sorry for the confusion. As for Tiger's maternal ancestry, I should've fact-checked first. DOH! I guess he can take the first part of the advice and discard the rest. Ah well. <strong>arunlikhati</strong>: Thanks much for the encouragement. Inaccuracies are nothing new to the Intertubes, so I just want to set the record straight. If, having obtained correct information about Buddhism, people still want to criticize, then they are certainly welcome to. Also, I don't like talking <em>ex cathedra</em> myself since I am just a lay follower, so it's good to make cite sources where possible. :) Hi Everyone,

kether1985: Welcome to the JLR and thanks for the information.

tigeryogiji: Ha ha ha, sorry for the confusion. As for Tiger’s maternal ancestry, I should’ve fact-checked first. DOH! I guess he can take the first part of the advice and discard the rest. Ah well.

arunlikhati: Thanks much for the encouragement. Inaccuracies are nothing new to the Intertubes, so I just want to set the record straight. If, having obtained correct information about Buddhism, people still want to criticize, then they are certainly welcome to. Also, I don’t like talking ex cathedra myself since I am just a lay follower, so it’s good to make cite sources where possible. :)

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By: arunlikhati http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/03/02/what-is-the-path-to-redemption-in-buddhism/#comment-3854 arunlikhati Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:48:47 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=7046#comment-3854 Thanks for this post Doug. Your posts always delve much deeper into a broader range of Buddhist sources than I would even think to look into. My understanding is much enriched! Thanks for this post Doug. Your posts always delve much deeper into a broader range of Buddhist sources than I would even think to look into. My understanding is much enriched!

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