Comments on: A Dead Secret: Obon scary stories by Lafcadio Hearn! http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4465 Doug Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:24:47 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4465 Hi John, the Otani school is the Higashi Honganji school of Jodo Shinshu. That sounds pretty typical of Jodo Shinshu but yes it is encouraging to hear. :-) Great story by the way, thanks for sharing! Hi John, the Otani school is the Higashi Honganji school of Jodo Shinshu. That sounds pretty typical of Jodo Shinshu but yes it is encouraging to hear. :-)

Great story by the way, thanks for sharing!

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By: johnl http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4464 johnl Sun, 15 Aug 2010 00:07:50 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4464 Having lived in Japan for more than 30 years, I have had more experience with funerary practices than I would have liked. I would say the biggest shock was a small group of mourners participates in the cremation, including placing the cremains (still quite recognizable--cranium fragments, finger and leg bones--not ground up American style) in the urn using special chopsticks. I was encouraged at the last funeral I went to--usually funeral guests are given little packets of salt to 'purify' themselves of any negativity before entering their home. However, this time, there was a little pamphlet that said 'we don't distribute salt because there is no impurity from the dead' or something like that. It was done by the Otani school (is that Jodo or Shin, I'm not sure). Anyway, FWIW. Having lived in Japan for more than 30 years, I have had more experience with funerary practices than I would have liked. I would say the biggest shock was a small group of mourners participates in the cremation, including placing the cremains (still quite recognizable–cranium fragments, finger and leg bones–not ground up American style) in the urn using special chopsticks.

I was encouraged at the last funeral I went to–usually funeral guests are given little packets of salt to ‘purify’ themselves of any negativity before entering their home. However, this time, there was a little pamphlet that said ‘we don’t distribute salt because there is no impurity from the dead’ or something like that. It was done by the Otani school (is that Jodo or Shin, I’m not sure). Anyway, FWIW.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4462 Doug Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:14:32 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4462 Hi Robert, That's very interseting and explains a few things for me too. When our beloved pug died a few years ago (sadly just days after our little one was born), I wanted to scatter the ashes at some point, but my wife seemed really hesitant and we never followed through. He sits now in his little urn next to our makeshift altar at home (no proper Butsudan, as the ones in the U.S. are overpriced and shoddy, nor do we have the space), alongside my pet turtle who also died last year. I've not experienced any Japanese funerals first-hand myself, but the temple here in the US has a large Japanese community that still has funerals there, and I've learned some things there too. The notion of 戒名 seems strange to me in particular because in most cultures, when one formally becomes a Buddhist, they get a Dharma name of some kind at that point, not after they die, but I assume that since people in Japan are sort of born into Buddhism, rather than making a formal conversion effort, that may explain the discrepancy. In the end, a name is just a name. In the case of Zen temples, I've read about actual ordination ceremonies, taking the precepts, and even getting a lineage chart after death in some cases. Local practices will no doubt vary too. Hi Robert,

That’s very interseting and explains a few things for me too. When our beloved pug died a few years ago (sadly just days after our little one was born), I wanted to scatter the ashes at some point, but my wife seemed really hesitant and we never followed through. He sits now in his little urn next to our makeshift altar at home (no proper Butsudan, as the ones in the U.S. are overpriced and shoddy, nor do we have the space), alongside my pet turtle who also died last year.

I’ve not experienced any Japanese funerals first-hand myself, but the temple here in the US has a large Japanese community that still has funerals there, and I’ve learned some things there too.

The notion of 戒名 seems strange to me in particular because in most cultures, when one formally becomes a Buddhist, they get a Dharma name of some kind at that point, not after they die, but I assume that since people in Japan are sort of born into Buddhism, rather than making a formal conversion effort, that may explain the discrepancy. In the end, a name is just a name. In the case of Zen temples, I’ve read about actual ordination ceremonies, taking the precepts, and even getting a lineage chart after death in some cases. Local practices will no doubt vary too.

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By: Robert http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4461 Robert Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:56:41 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4461 Hi Doug, My only knowledge comes from my father-in-law's funeral last year. I found the leaflets about clearing out possessions when the family all went shopping for a butsudan a day or so later (and for presents to give to those who came to the wake). Compared to the Catholic tradition it seemed much more matter of fact or part of life somehow. There were many traditions I'd never experienced before but my enduring memory would be my sister-in-law being very happy to be taking tou-san home in a box tied up in a white cloth on her lap in the taxi from the crematorium. (My in-laws were appalled at the idea of scattering ashes, or even just burying the deceased then going home.) Or my wife buying a present of chocolate for her father on the flight home. I didn't understand it at the time and felt it was best not to question it. It was placed on the temporary butsudan for a day or so and then later we ate it. I suppose my experience was much more of the secular rather than the religious which I didn't quite understand. I do remember a sermon on tou-san's 戒名 (you mentioned above) which unfortunately my Japanese wasn't sufficient for. Hi Doug,

My only knowledge comes from my father-in-law’s funeral last year.
I found the leaflets about clearing out possessions when the family all went shopping for a butsudan a day or so later (and for presents to give to those who came to the wake). Compared to the Catholic tradition it seemed much more matter of fact or part of life somehow. There were many traditions I’d never experienced before but my enduring memory would be my sister-in-law being very happy to be taking tou-san home in a box tied up in a white cloth on her lap in the taxi from the crematorium. (My in-laws were appalled at the idea of scattering ashes, or even just burying the deceased then going home.) Or my wife buying a present of chocolate for her father on the flight home. I didn’t understand it at the time and felt it was best not to question it. It was placed on the temporary butsudan for a day or so and then later we ate it.
I suppose my experience was much more of the secular rather than the religious which I didn’t quite understand. I do remember a sermon on tou-san’s 戒名 (you mentioned above) which unfortunately my Japanese wasn’t sufficient for.

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By: Doug http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4460 Doug Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:15:55 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4460 Hi Robert, That's very interesting actually. I had no idea the practice still exists, but I actually only know bits and pieces of funerary practices, so that's very helpful. As to whether these are Buddhist rites or not, I think it's a local adaptation of certain Buddhist notions, but maybe not 'canonical Buddhism' per se. That doesn't mean it's wrong either thought, as religion in text has to adapt to religion in life, IMHO. I've been wanting ot write a post on Japanese Buddhism and how it relates to funeral practices, but I admit I have only scattered informaiton to work on. Hi Robert,

That’s very interesting actually. I had no idea the practice still exists, but I actually only know bits and pieces of funerary practices, so that’s very helpful. As to whether these are Buddhist rites or not, I think it’s a local adaptation of certain Buddhist notions, but maybe not ‘canonical Buddhism’ per se. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong either thought, as religion in text has to adapt to religion in life, IMHO.

I’ve been wanting ot write a post on Japanese Buddhism and how it relates to funeral practices, but I admit I have only scattered informaiton to work on.

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By: Robert http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/08/13/a-dead-secret-obon-scary-stories-by-lafcadio-hearn/#comment-4458 Robert Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:45:14 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=8757#comment-4458 I think it's interesting that the clearing out of the deceased possessions is still done, to enable them to move on to the next life by having less attachment to this one. I've even seen leaflets for clearance services, (I think with the possessions going to a temple). My understanding of Buddhist funeral rites, that happen at various intervals for many years, is to help the spirit move on. It might be allied to a (shinto?) belief that inanimate objects can be imbued with spirit by being used. Hence shrines with collections of old dolls, or sewing needles. I think it’s interesting that the clearing out of the deceased possessions is still done, to enable them to move on to the next life by having less attachment to this one. I’ve even seen leaflets for clearance services, (I think with the possessions going to a temple). My understanding of Buddhist funeral rites, that happen at various intervals for many years, is to help the spirit move on.
It might be allied to a (shinto?) belief that inanimate objects can be imbued with spirit by being used. Hence shrines with collections of old dolls, or sewing needles.

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