Comments on: The Nine Considerations for the Gentleman by Confucius http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/ My life as a father, Buddhist and Japanophile. Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: bluewhitegreenred http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4886 bluewhitegreenred Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:15:20 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4886 Often Doug, it seems sects seem to symbolise the tendency for people to promote only one line of teaching as superior to another, and deemphasize the truths, no matter how useful and practical, of other lines. Part of this was that people in antiquity were probably very different than modern human beings, technoogically, socially, and interpersonally... perhaps such segregation was necessary to accommodate the lay sangha and junior monks of a Way... but that kind of demarcation isn't necessary today, but it's upheld as tradition cemented in hundreds of years of practice. Not 100% sure, but it could be. Being about as lay a practitioner as they come, I accept there are additional truths to be found once you transcend the so-called 'entry truths' or conditional 'mumonkan' truths necessary to grasp higher levels of understanding, but many present practices are completely in opposition to accepted understandings of his teachings, such as in Rinzai Zen (my line), where killing is acceptable. Perhaps this just reflects my layman's grasp of that Way, but it seems many present lines of Buddhism have evolved to make acceptable things that directly oppose the Eightfold Path. It's in those circumstances I try to use my intelligence and re-examine the teachings of both ways, to find a solution. It can be dangerous to practice without a sangha, as many psychopaths have demonstrated with demented and distorted dogma from their traditions, but it also avoids blind piety and stagnation, when your tanden tightens up at some crossroads in the future. :) Often Doug, it seems sects seem to symbolise the tendency for people to promote only one line of teaching as superior to another, and deemphasize the truths, no matter how useful and practical, of other lines. Part of this was that people in antiquity were probably very different than modern human beings, technoogically, socially, and interpersonally… perhaps such segregation was necessary to accommodate the lay sangha and junior monks of a Way… but that kind of demarcation isn’t necessary today, but it’s upheld as tradition cemented in hundreds of years of practice. Not 100% sure, but it could be.

Being about as lay a practitioner as they come, I accept there are additional truths to be found once you transcend the so-called ‘entry truths’ or conditional ‘mumonkan’ truths necessary to grasp higher levels of understanding, but many present practices are completely in opposition to accepted understandings of his teachings, such as in Rinzai Zen (my line), where killing is acceptable. Perhaps this just reflects my layman’s grasp of that Way, but it seems many present lines of Buddhism have evolved to make acceptable things that directly oppose the Eightfold Path. It’s in those circumstances I try to use my intelligence and re-examine the teachings of both ways, to find a solution. It can be dangerous to practice without a sangha, as many psychopaths have demonstrated with demented and distorted dogma from their traditions, but it also avoids blind piety and stagnation, when your tanden tightens up at some crossroads in the future. :)

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By: Doug M http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4885 Doug M Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:03:41 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4885 Yeah, oddly I came to Zen first as a teenager, but was ultimately frustrated by some of it's manifestations here in the West, and even Japan, and found the devotional, compassionate side expressed in Pure Land Buddhism more my taste, but I also found this frustrating in that it only practices and teaches one particular aspect of Buddhism. I wanted something that had the beauty of Pure Land but a more balanced approach, and this is where I am at now. Yeah, oddly I came to Zen first as a teenager, but was ultimately frustrated by some of it’s manifestations here in the West, and even Japan, and found the devotional, compassionate side expressed in Pure Land Buddhism more my taste, but I also found this frustrating in that it only practices and teaches one particular aspect of Buddhism. I wanted something that had the beauty of Pure Land but a more balanced approach, and this is where I am at now.

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By: bluewhitegreenred http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4876 bluewhitegreenred Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4876 It is somewhat cryptic... and populated, as I've read in your own disdain for some of those in your sect, with jack boffins who do one thing and claim another, which is discouraging to those seeking a way. One of the Buddha's many teachings, is to light your own lamp. I never grew up indoctrinized by childhood piety to Buddhism (which for me would've been Joudoushuu or Nichiren Buddhism), but found solace in adulthood with Thich Nhat Hanh's Heart of the Buddha's Teachings, and Anger, with its clarity, calmness, and lack of dogma. Anger esp, as it's a facet of my personality that's causing me much suffering. I've never become part of a sangha (except the short time in cloister), just for the reason in the first paragraph. It's frustrating. But Zen seems to resonate with me quite a bit more strongly than others, so that's the path I choose. However, I've not restricted myself to the truths in only one line. If I learn the truth if it, it becomes my teaching. :) It is somewhat cryptic… and populated, as I’ve read in your own disdain for some of those in your sect, with jack boffins who do one thing and claim another, which is discouraging to those seeking a way.

One of the Buddha’s many teachings, is to light your own lamp. I never grew up indoctrinized by childhood piety to Buddhism (which for me would’ve been Joudoushuu or Nichiren Buddhism), but found solace in adulthood with Thich Nhat Hanh’s Heart of the Buddha’s Teachings, and Anger, with its clarity, calmness, and lack of dogma. Anger esp, as it’s a facet of my personality that’s causing me much suffering.

I’ve never become part of a sangha (except the short time in cloister), just for the reason in the first paragraph. It’s frustrating. But Zen seems to resonate with me quite a bit more strongly than others, so that’s the path I choose. However, I’ve not restricted myself to the truths in only one line. If I learn the truth if it, it becomes my teaching. :)

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By: Doug M http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4861 Doug M Sun, 21 Nov 2010 06:37:46 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4861 Excellent advice indeed. I never really understood this for a long time until I read Thich Nhat Hanh's book called the Miracle of Mindfullness, which turned out to be a solid book. I once owned the Zen Speaks book that you mentioned but it never resonated with me, but generally Zen things seldom do anymore. Just not for I me guess. :-p Excellent advice indeed. I never really understood this for a long time until I read Thich Nhat Hanh’s book called the Miracle of Mindfullness, which turned out to be a solid book. I once owned the Zen Speaks book that you mentioned but it never resonated with me, but generally Zen things seldom do anymore. Just not for I me guess. :-p

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By: bluewhitegreenred http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4859 bluewhitegreenred Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:42:35 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4859 I have TCC's 'Zen Speaks', also translated by Brian Bruya. I've always been a fan of sequential art to help tell a story, esp manga... so add to this my time in Buddhist cloister, and of course it was going to be in my collection of Zen books. :) Mindfulness is something one should practice as a routine, like brushing your teeth, and there doesn't even need to be mantra recited during it. Just pay attention to what you're feeling... BTW... it's getting cold on Bainbridge, brr! ;) I have TCC’s ‘Zen Speaks’, also translated by Brian Bruya. I’ve always been a fan of sequential art to help tell a story, esp manga… so add to this my time in Buddhist cloister, and of course it was going to be in my collection of Zen books. :)

Mindfulness is something one should practice as a routine, like brushing your teeth, and there doesn’t even need to be mantra recited during it. Just pay attention to what you’re feeling…

BTW… it’s getting cold on Bainbridge, brr! ;)

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By: Doug M http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4844 Doug M Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:47:24 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4844 Hello everyone! <strong>Paula:</strong> Yes, I really wish Confucius talked more about advice for women, but frankly there's practically nothing there, not even anything sexist or misogynistic. His disciples were all men (being the culture at the time), and thus his advice was for a male-audience only. Still, I think most of it is practical to people in general, and probably why Confucian teachings have endured so well across the ages. <strong>Bluewhitegreenred:</strong> It should be noted though that in Prof. Muller's translation, mindful isn't explicitly used, so that may simply be translator's disgression. I am not sure. :-/ But awareness in general is about the best thing one can do for their lives. <strong>Yrene:</strong> Glad to be of help. :) Hello everyone!

Paula: Yes, I really wish Confucius talked more about advice for women, but frankly there’s practically nothing there, not even anything sexist or misogynistic. His disciples were all men (being the culture at the time), and thus his advice was for a male-audience only. Still, I think most of it is practical to people in general, and probably why Confucian teachings have endured so well across the ages.

Bluewhitegreenred: It should be noted though that in Prof. Muller’s translation, mindful isn’t explicitly used, so that may simply be translator’s disgression. I am not sure. :-/ But awareness in general is about the best thing one can do for their lives.

Yrene: Glad to be of help. :)

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By: yrene yuhmi http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4838 yrene yuhmi Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:28:31 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4838 I really liked it, I'm going to keep it in my mind forever ^_^ thank you! I really liked it, I’m going to keep it in my mind forever ^_^ thank you!

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By: bluewhitegreenred http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4835 bluewhitegreenred Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:25:09 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4835 I like the repeated use of 'be mindful'. I'm a fan of Thay Nhat Hanh, and his gentle clarity has helped me many times in the past. I like the repeated use of ‘be mindful’. I’m a fan of Thay Nhat Hanh, and his gentle clarity has helped me many times in the past.

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By: Paula http://japanlifeandreligion.com/2010/11/17/the-nine-considerations-for-the-gentleman-by-confucius/#comment-4834 Paula Wed, 17 Nov 2010 06:48:15 +0000 http://japanlifeandreligion.com/?p=9514#comment-4834 Next post 'Considerations for a Lady by Confucius'? ;-) Next post ‘Considerations for a Lady by Confucius’? ;-)

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